if far then near, and if called then responder; as he is the One whom the One-Alone manifested from light of his essence; so the One-Alone is transcendent, does not enter into number, and indeed his light which enters the numbers, and the One is origin of numbers and counter for them, from him their beginning, and all numbers to him is their return, and he is their originator.

I said: my lord, so the saying of Master Muhammad: I am the city of knowledge and Ali is its gate? So he said: O Mufaddal, He only meant by it Salsal, who cascaded from his light’s light. So the meaning of his saying: and Ali its gate, for it is the highest of ranks and their gate, through it, they enter the city and guidance knowledge, so by his hands it exits to them, and he is the translator for them by his master’s aid from kingdom science and divinity majesty.

I said: my lord, Master Mim’s saying: I and Ali are like these two, and I don’t say: right nor left, and he joined two fingers. He said: O Mufaddal, none is able from people of knowledge to separate between the Name and the Meaning, but the Meaning is above it; because the Name is invented from the Essence’s light; so no difference nor gap between Light, Essence.